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Puzzle 456: Spirits of Serpentine 2

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TheSubro said...

The first one was procrastination.
The second one had momemnts of understanding the puzzle and its limits better.
Not sure it is that great of a puzzle form, but Im confident that you have some better versions that you could bring to bear here.

Thanks for the introduction.

The Grim Recapper said...

Agreed. It's certainly not among the best puzzle forms Nikoli's created over the years (though, when you're credited with making Sudoku, Kakuro, and Slitherlink popular, it's kind of hard to be), but I'm willing to give it a chance.

That said, there are definitely some other genres I'd much rather see on this blog -- Gokigen Naname, Kin-Kon-Kan, Ice Barns, Goishi Hiroi...

Grant Fikes said...

The Grim Recapper: One genre you will absolutely never see on here is Goishi Hiroi. It's not so much a logic puzzle as a game, since some puzzles can have multiple solutions. This doesn't make it less difficult to find even one of the solutions, but it is nonetheless inappropriate for this blog.

Kin-Kon-Kan puzzles were on my previous blog, so I might consider making some of them. I really like Ice Barn, but I haven't gotten around to making a template yet. Gokigen Naname. . . TBH, I can only see myself making two of that puzzle type if it were to ever make an appearance on my blog. It's doesn't seem like a genre I could do a lot with.

Hebi-Ichigo at least has novelty value, and it's not clear whether it will eventually be elevated to "classic" status and make regular appearances in Puzzle Communication Nikoli and Puzzle the Giants, and gets at least one Pencil Puzzle Book devoted to it, or remain in its current "semi-classic" status where it's popular for a while in the experimental puzzles section but then only appears in volumes like Puzzle Box. Hebi-Ichigo appears in Penpas 2011 by Nikoli, so I can picture myself having inspiration to make one or two more, if not dozens like in LITS, Masyu, or Slitherlink. Actually, there was a time when LITS was new and known as Nuruomino; I didn't see a whole lot of potential for it at first, but as Nikoli's constructors did more and more stuff with it, it really grew on me. Maybe Hebi-Ichigo will be the same way.

Anonymous said...

Ice Barns is wonderful. Found a set of about 50 or so the other week, and really enjoying going through them.

Plus, it'd be fairly easy to create mutants for -- there's already a variant floating around where you've gotta visit certain cells in the correct order as well as creating the usual path.

Hebi-Ichigo, I think, is going to be one of those puzzles that work well in Nikoli books, but will probably never appear anywhere else. And I'm perfectly happy with keeping this little gem a secret.

Grant Fikes said...

Anonymous: 50 Ice Barn puzzles??? Please alert me as to this source.

Plus, it'd be fairly easy to create mutants for -- there's already a variant floating around where you've gotta visit certain cells in the correct order as well as creating the usual path. In my eyes, if a variant is "floating around" in Nikoli's official publications, that means they're still toying with the rules of the puzzle. It could very well happen that one of these variant rule sets becomes popular enough to elevate the puzzle to "classic" status alongside recent inventions like LITS and Suraromu, in which case it's no longer really a mutant.

Anonymous said...

I wish I hadn't lost the link. :(

Still, I've saved all the individual puzzles I've found to my hard drive, I can email them to you?

Anonymous said...

Is there anywhere I can find rules and/or examples of all the Nikoli puzzle types? The only rule list I can find is incomplete (it doesn't have this genre, for a start) and there are no examples... :(

Grant Fikes said...

Anonymous: Are you referring to this page? Hebi-Ichigo is a very recent invention, which probably explains why it's not on the list. Also, I think the list is targeted more at explaining the rules of the puzzles to people who've encountered them and don't know how to do them due to their illiteracy in Japanese. Examples aren't as necessary.

Anonymous said...

Love that you picked a relatively unknown genre instead of doing more puzzles in genres we're thoroughly sick of *cough*Sudoku*cough*. Variety is A Very Good Thing.

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